Search found:'Gentlewisdom.org/augustines-mistake-about-sin' Didn't read but snipped the following. Augustine took Paul’s phrase “ἐφ᾽ ᾧ πάντες ἥμαρτον” following the Vulgate “in quo omnes peccaverunt” to be “in whom [Adam] all sinned”.
(The Greek can be transliterated ef’ ho pantes hemarton.) Well, Augustine didn’t actually use the Vulgate, which was being translated during his lifetime, but the sometimes not very accurate Old Latin translations. But his Latin version seems to have been similar to the Vulgate here. Doug continues: the Augustinian interpretation of Paul’s “ἐφ᾽ ᾧ πάντες ἥμαρτον” as meaning “in whom all sinned” makes it the most disastrous preposition in history. All modern translations agree that its proper meaning is “because.” The translation was from 'Latin (older)', to 'Latin', and wasn't from the 'ancient Greek']
Monday Pt. 3., turn up the Leven... Shaw, Macintosh, and Waite, who'd replaced Spreafico, after 'Remember'. The opening bombardment.
Jackie, Joe, Dave and Robin. Or, 'Hell Games', Tony on bass.
Seventy years ago today, the late Jackie Leven is born in Kirkcaldy, Fife, Scotland.
Dad, Irish and a Cockney and a mum from Romany stock, and a Geordie.
Born 18 June 1950 – died 14 November 2011.
"I come from Pourtoon..., he sings. Takes up some of what it was like and happened.
Runs: side one; teenage lightning (2:27), gypsy blood (2:46), stripshow (4:04), the human face (5:05), hey sweetheart (4:48). Side two; binary fiction (3:21), hell games (3:57), forbidden worlds (4:08), highland rain (5:00), endgame (2:01), when a man dies (0:53).
Much as I can 'milk', soak, sing-long and jig. A swing and sway around the room in musical ecstasy. The limit, aims to encourage, overall more restricted listening. ["We'll see?"]. Tomorrow get on Highland Rain.
On 'multi-rewinds' of Hell Games. All-a-bit, me-yodeling along.
Went to see the great Frank with the "Aylesbury lot", 'home-ground' and, "the Civic" (Centre). Late in the brilliant, laugh to cry performance, (might have been the encore?). Frank, threw out his arms?
Off flies his wrist watch into the audience.
A Big song from Kris (Needs) and/or Colin (Keinch) in the selection. Every session, got an outing and sing-a-long.
Lower-case was a 'Doll by Doll thing'. A style Jackie continued over the years, writing a 'column' about his subsequent adventures on jackieleven.co.uk.
As writing goes, no surprise, Jackie was hot. Use of lower-case, came from ee cummings. The poem they nabbed, the brilliant name:
The First Of All My Dreams
... the first of all my dreams was of
a lover and his only love,
strolling slowly (mind in mind)
through some green mysterious land
.. until my second dream begins –
the sky wild with leaves; which dance
and dancing swoop (and swooping
over a frightened boy and girl)
.. but that mere fury soon became
silence: in huger always whom
two tiny selves sleep (doll by doll)
motionless under magical
.. foreverfully falling snow.
And then this dreamer wept: and so
she quickly dreamed a dream of spring
- how you and I are blossoming
.. ee cummings
Get where Jackie sings, '...my angel'. MJ's re-interpretation:
'Death' isn't ...my angel. That be the enemy, and any angelic being, or entities. God's into life, from... death. Destroyed all and once. Man, -and- one, in one and 'tri-union' of persons: God.
Live in 'life'..., in. 'him . Yeah..., could say 'he', could say 'her'?
Scripture? Not asked, so, "He". 'Gathering like a mother (hen)', from Jesus didn't have problem. There's a couple, or three, female-associated attributions in the Old Testament.
'Offending God?', doesn't 'Jesus', add-up. Nor, half-the-nonsense, presumed and to be 'Christian'. ALL, claims of blasphemy, are in that half. Best the 'protest-ants' do, is miss or ignore the reverse psychology and it becomes, evangelism.
The argument put forward goes;
"Well, supposing someone 'said/sung/painted/pissed and art/' ...about, 'your' mum, gal, boy, dad, best mate, etc. Let alone the character, (some) reckon-present, Jesus (the) Christ?"
Answer: Well it isn't. "Hey mate you 'blasphemed' my bird, wanna punch-up?
Over to God and a 'believer' in love? Could be 'offensive, if it's someone who can be offended by an opinion or expression? All while, God 'blasphemed' a million times a minute.
Only one care-what and speak or live by? Making theology' the only enemy target to screw with. The 'what', that matters.
A Jesus-endorsed 'blaspheme'. The one 'unforgivable' and warning to Christians? In deed/word, and about another in union on one, and 'God'.
'Youngs Literal', Not time to check the range of translations and choice. As for me? ' Started with and looks like, to the finish ‘the NIV’ version. Not better-than, yet not so far convinced to change.
Book of Matthew, and Mark, respectively:
Because of this I say to you, all sin and evil speaking shall be forgiven to men, but the evil speaking of the Spirit shall not be forgiven to men.
And whoever may speak a word against the Son of Man it shall be forgiven to him, but whoever may speak against the Holy Spirit, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this age, nor in that which is coming.
'Verily I say to you, that all the sins shall be forgiven to the sons of men, and evil speakings with which they might speak evil, but whoever may speak evil in regard to the Holy Spirit hath not forgiveness -- to the age, but is in danger of age-during judgement; 'because they said, `He hath an unclean spirit.'
God most-moved, grieved, celebrating, angry, appear almost 'reckless' and loving, moving yearning... to move. On, with and for us.
Been a day of when playing music/or anything, exclusive on the playlist and the mid-three, off the second side and Gypsy Blood.
First, and 'break the fast', lifting, one to lift me up and ...God up. Part-way through, explains his use of Reckless.
(Now, d'ya see, where the "Who is God?", am batting from?)
...the He’s real. The "real good to me, that’s for sure", school of theology.
Or , "she’s...", and if you must, and prefer? No sense, or need, but it doesn't matter. Need to keep "he"up to ensure not get lopsided on 'gender questions', and God: Himself?
Can't say "it"is God. That's no good and worse than a wrong first name. Anything-other, than 'Jesus' and replacement? Again, not in disputed territory with this one.Because everything screams; 'twaddle'. Proper 'tosh'.
Not a preference is the one name: Jesus. Aka., Not 'the name of..., "Sally", or "Richard". Or any of the weird Egyptian or Hebraic sounding one's , seen out and about online. People, or individuals, reckoning to know a new name for God. An ancient text leading them to discover God’s hidden, and 'intended' name. Church suppressed it and he be the whistle-blower.
Not hunting but it’s copy-book and 'resist-unless-must' discernment calls it, a bang-up 'heresy'. A false prophet, better still, a false prophecy.
‘Verily' unlike, sayeth not?
Yet hard-core establishment Calvinists maintain Open Theists are Heretics. No ‘beef’ and counter-”diss.”/disrespecting responses back.
What do you think?
A Heresy is:
The underlying raging dispute in theology, understandable since it’s a foundational, philosophical core-question.
Rename God; E,g, 'Manoshiasto', Mary, Martha, 'April Showers' or Catweazle?
Nope, it’s the first one side 'can't handle the heat in the Kitchen', so they call for the kitchen to be closed and claim it's dirty. Nothing but rot and wrong.
ME and we-like say: Greek mixed in 300 years after Christ came, overcoming the Hebrew outlook and understanding.
If y’can, please listen carefully? Prof. Catherine on a roll:
The big 'God's strategy' question has a range of theologians, professionals and otherwise, scholars in various disciplines. Both kinds of Christian, or not. From all subsections, 'in' a denomination, a non-conformist, or not part of a local church. (My current situation).
Using and natural free flow expression, it's Jesus’ Christianity.
Increasing in a true understanding, through a genuine heartfelt and openness to the full range and scope of ideas.
‘Calvinist away’, you’re fine by me.
A request? ‘Be open about’. We ought to help any hearers or readers, gain more or less convictions about ‘time, space’.
You want to use the name demons flee from? Beckons the Holy Spirit? Do well to remember names came with, and could carry authority, in days and times around Jesus on earth.
And the name of Jesus, the person we read the Bible ‘in’. Jesus/theology, of course. Or, should be?
About certain, personal to us, Bible verses. When in the name (authority) of Jesus. Spoken and aright and sincere, with God, The Holy Spirit. Somehow, God can speak out, through us, and our words. In the moment we speak, pray, engage with God.
Please note; Not one for thinking about demons/devils/Satan, ‘the other lot’, the latest tag. Ignore, and get into God, is the answer there and to any ‘evil entities’ around and about.
No time for studying the forgery and fakery. Eyes all on 'the genuine', shows up all we need to know about ‘the other lot’.
In Aramaic, the language used is closest to and 'in Hebrew', 'Y'shua'. Prominent through Jewish people, testifying, "fulfilled their Judaism and completed through Christ.
'Completed in Christ'. Ever 'Jewish', now, a Jewish 'believer in Y'Shua'. Read Isaiah 53 and the 'penny dropped'. Other promoters aren't Jewish people, would like Y'shua, adopted by all.
While not as might expect, are all, Zionists.
Zionism-Myth vs Reality has been 'top of Crimes' in recent days. Read James and Mark/MJ for a reliable ‘what's-what’ combo. Before, WordPress (instructed), deleted, S. Awan's The Burning Blogger of Bedlam, made for a 'trinity'. Unavailable, while waiting and S. Awan begin again, gagging-for,-"me" second outpouring: Burning Blogger of Bedlam (the TribuneOfThePeople channel on YouTube).
Set myself a piece of homework. Listened to an 'upbuilding', Bill Johnson (Bethel) talk. Some way through, and talk of God, 'going into the future', to bring back the healing, for today'.
Depends? If that's figurative and the restored, on earth, 'tomorrow'.
Suspect a flag and attempt, more or less, to continue and hold-loyal to Classic Theology.
Would make more sense?; God, through the past and 'the cross', gives us authority, to co-collaborate in God, and see healing, now.
Give Bill a chance eh, ...God a chance and bound to be decent instructional encouragement.
Bring my uptake and comment on . Jackie Pt 3. Hell games Pt 2.
'Jackie', fab.name, ain't it so? Jackie for Scotland,Dylan the US, Cockburn in Canada, Morrison takes the Irish and Wales, Mike Scott (?), with respect need to put my thinking cap on.
Singer songwriter of our age. The Top of the 20th Century Pops and charts. All but Walker, Brel,and Leven made a decade and a year into 22nd Cent., going on strong.Dylan and Morrison, the two last and standing. Established artists among a handful living and out the pantheon of acoustic roots and cincture.From say, 1960. The 'got to be in the 'best of the best' bracket 'Acoustic', with Hendrix, man all-in. Cash, o'course. Cash over Dylan in the US?. Say so, but in fairness Dylan gets the nod and through.
Add Mitchell, (Joni).
Clash the whole, and everyone? Puts my last four: Dylan, Morrison, Leven and Walker.
'Old Blighty'. It's Scott. Walker. My English man. Here and on about "Jackie".
Morrisey? ["Can't believe... am writing this?"What a difference a load of playlist' selecting makes?]
'New hearing' for "Moz."-ie", in there, or, close-as.
Yup, Jacques Brel, in for France.
All God 'lookers', in Bible revealed one and pertains to other beliefs/'faith groups':
or; attempt a mixture, while citing "paradox", attempt to gets us over the hurdles.
Such like?: 'God knows all to come' and somehow constitutes our free-will in a set unchanging future? Get to the answer, "if it's difficult and troubling. Doesn't fit?"
'Because? Not only a paradox but one that goes, beyond, our understanding.'
Calvinists the first to spark up, "told ya so". Open Theism is credited by Calvinists, in at least accepting it's "us" with consistent through to the conclusions. Open Theism is seen as the more extreme error and even further removed from Calvinist thought. Insistence the starting-points for Aminiansism is building the teaching on faulty premise. Calvinists don't find wining the argument difficult and addressing Arminianism.
Push through the 'logos' and logic of the Armenian preposition? Should drive people to get open on Open Theism. Or, somehow, Calvinism convinces you ? No room in the 'In' for the Arminians, and its jump ship, dump any notions (at all) of free-will and the Almighty. Thereon, take up thy Calvinist declaration time and follow God, the Plato hand-me-down Augustine twist and Calvin shake.
Exceptional exceptions abound, from John Wesley to 'our own' Roger T Forster.
In comes Bill Hicks, [on a Rewind, passing on the wisdom for our times.] Let's agree Bill was ahead of the curve. By a... loooong way. Here with a mid 80s to mid-90s prophetc 'joke' A funny but frightening of we don't get the punch and line: "Who thinks Bill is, Not, joking?
Thirty plus seconds 0:37 Politics in America: Bill Hicks, first up on Dec 13, 2017 by Ronnie.
A short film by Andrew Lankes comes in at 01:17 "Politics in America" tailor-made, industry-standard, moving images and puppets.
"The Elite"(Dec 25, 2009.) Andrew Lankes, again, runs out at 01:14
I’ll show you politics in America. Here it is, right here. “I think the puppet on the right shares my beliefs.” “I think the puppet on the left is more to my liking.” “Hey, wait a minute, there’s one guy holding out both puppets!” “Shut up! Go back to bed, America. Your government is in control. Here's Love Connection. Watch this and get fat and stupid. By the way, keep drinking beer, you fucking morons. Bill Hicks
"Cometh to the Calvin crew?"
Not about 'get ya head around it' greater men the all-star pioneer Reformers got the grip-on God's ways and means. Take heart they led and "we ain't diverting a smidgen, off the lines, they drew".
Which under the prevailing theological circumstances, utterly the measure, in giants and men of God. In actions that ignored the bigger-picture quandary, and acted like the world and God was 'open', and not all-assumed enclosed, and fully-settled future.
...it's a 1+1=1?
Turns into 2+2=5, my honest expectation, given a chance to do a proper Open and Closed,competitive study "See for yourself?
"That's all, anyone can do?":
Get Biblical, re-look at Tradition, keeping Reason, paramount.
Ask and seek to explain free-will -and- the love 'claiming' God. Seen here, as altogether timeless/outside and/or exhaustive, foreknowledge?
1+1+1=1 and 'God', therein, isn't in a contradiction, with anything. However, sincere and get on behaving as-if:
'Stock and lock', accepts Genuine free-will and choice, in the present 'reality'. As described and revealed from Genesis, to Revelation.
Yet, the future and past, a timeless and ever-existing reality from God's perspective.
'Bethel' and majority hold to not so strict, Calvinism, and/or 'Arminianism' The between, Open, and Classic, view on Theism, aka., God revealing, "the way I 'walk', and work, is...
Among , 'Liberal and Evangelical', the two kinds of Christian. Among evangelicals, those who dispute as authentic, genuine, experiential; Liberals' experience or reality, and is: Christianity/'becoming, a Christian'.
The spectrum within, or among, evangelicals?
Charismatic, or not?
While the main Evangelical sub-group, or spectrum?
'Traditional', through to 'Progressive', Evangelicals.
Some on Trad. see sides and a fight? They feel called to 'Diss.' all-but 'their' interpretation of the Gospel. Type 'Bethel' in a search engine and the 'heresy hunting for Jesus' crowd are on 'em
Lumping it accommodating and "dangerous".
A lens, and test, that insists you; "can't tell me, the…, 'Reformers' or; 'Church Fathers', or; 'Pope/ Vatican Council' (three main ‘idols’ over teaching)…, "can’t tell me they’re in error"?
(We) Can't be (wrong) and of almost no-value, in considering, what from the outset; Must Be False Teaching. Bethel the church are 'wanna be' traditional evangelicals, gone off the rails. 'Progressive', as in,'liberals' ...pretending. A 'honey-trap' seducing 'our' young and gullible lambs into hip-sounding, hippie-like, "tosh". Where bizarre behavior is acceptable, and not as apparent beneath the sheen of polished pop music, accompanying claims, 'worshiping' God.
All 'wishy-washy', developing theology and extra-Biblical tendencies. All to get chummy with multi-faith, or none, answer 'difficulties' with standard Biblical proclamation. Considered closet, Open, and embracing theological rot. Snow-flake types.
Bethel and co. aren't appreciated by Progressive (evangelicals).
(Imagine sniggering, with "we actually, do-theology, "they don't").
A. W. Tozer leaps out and re-posted below.
Right to name Augustine, Anselm and early church, prior to Constantine. Tozar's reading list to remedy the muddle and misunderstanding in contemporary Christianity.
The time Augustine read a bad translation/copy of the Book of Romans. A scribe translating and copying from Greek into Latin made a slip-up and error? Augustine only knew Latin.
In comes the novel science and 'original sin'. Idea: Made with inbuilt-redundancy. With 'sin' stuff in us. The 'naughty' gene. An STD. Hence not 'in' Jesus.
Hence, not in the Bible. Or thoughtful theology.
'Overreaction to Manichaeism with Neoplatonism.' Sums up The Western Theological and Philosophical Tradition. The 'Classic' Tradition.
Augustine, never meant, would guess, ...would have realised:
What he gone done?
Calvin made sure it couldn't be reversed, and a home-goal. Pushed further, and today it's crit's (inc., in Calvinism), call it Hyper-Calvinism.
Next it'll be, 'multi-verse, perceptions and timeless, berserk' Calvinism
'Bethel' groups, get on with it. And let the record button go on.
In the hullabaloo, "here comes... the 'debunk and expose dept'. In an 'alarm and distressed' sounding-loud, yet minority. Bold for their size, and 'capital T', Traditional, Evangelicals.
Hear the growls and "get em, for 'Jesus.'".
Bethel and me?
An 'on and off', over the years. Might go on breaks, for years, and not a chorus played. Hasn't been in many-a-few months. Took playlist selecting and overdosing on music, help steer me back and include.
Happ-en-ing, and 'the God squad?
Like Punk Rock, dead before it got too 'alive'.
Name re-appropriated a popular, contemporary trend, and tag; Alternative Comedy./...comedians.
"Alternative, Church" got pulled-back and the "less-scary" and dodgy sounding, alternative worship. UK evangelicals 'wanting-more' but didn't want to "leave church".
Sunday nights, in an available church-building. Borrowed the slide-projectors, re-made the room, turned up the ambient or rave track.
Sought for God and experiment to keep the 'person' and Gospel essentials.
Change of clothing, check the baggage and what isn't 'culture ' and not essential, Christ-leading. Or other 'culture' and, now, 'Christ-led'? For here, and now-ways. At least for us, to have a go.
Church-Meets.., Clubbing. Meets, arts-installation. Think?: Green Field at "Glastonbury"; with elements of 70s US-led, 'Jesus People'.
'Punk became "New Wave"', Alt. Church became "Alternative Worship". Granted, a personal take and 'pleas against', and, 'in the middle of it'.
First, NOS (Sheffield). Spawned two, and 'the Late Late Service' (Glasgow) and Thursdays (Soho, London). The Pistols, Clash... about a dozen followed across the UK. South London and included close friends, co-leaders and me: Wild Hope, Jack's Basement, Greenwich, London. Friday evening, debates, chill-out, meal and once a month: Alt.y, arty-filled, Worship.
Went to the Nine O'clock Service a half a dozen or so times, often with others in our, 'Wild Hope'. Drove a packed mini-bus, or car. Same goes for the "Late Late" (Service) Glasgow, although for long weekends. Up there the day after Nirvana played Glasgow. One time we went and, November 1991. Ecstatic reviews from our 'LLS' friends who were at the concert.
Over New Years, a month later. Remember going on a 'house' crawl, 'open doors', in and out for "Wanna dram, boy" homes. Went to a number of neighbours homes. 'Hat as Madders' on all-age mix-about. Old Glasgow traditions in not-changed since the 70s front-rooms. As would and some, kilt-wearing, rocking about and practical-joke cracking. Had the 'Tiswas' about it.
All with a NY-eve something set-up party request to participate in. Rockers and band Auntie Rose who were in the 'Late Late' circle played.
Jackie Leven, 'memeber him? Wot this post darn, supposed to be, about?. Final ‘gripper’ installment of 'the Jackie trilogy'? Set to roll out on the Digital 'press' on Monday.
Next up is Truth scoop. Part three of last week's Sunday School. Return-to and going back on Part 2. will seem to me, akin to; a front-room after, another, "one too many mornings".
Clear up quick, and put on the first Hymn. A Hymn to silence, how about that one?
The 'new wave' came, the three or four pioneers gone. Circa., 2000, re-named emergent and strategy to 'support and resource' open to 'emergent' thought and practice.
'Emergent' goes on to thinking and online talking-shop. Loose steam and innovative 'worship and teaching', post-2000, bundled in, under the Progressive Christian banner.
No more assertive outreach and mission. No more, 'Bethel-of -day' who love to worship God. Yet... like to see renewal and refreshment. Look broad, wide, go deep. Have renewed appeal to 'young people'. Especially people into alternative arts and culture, and life-styles.
'Bethel'.., but with balls". A line re-contextualized with 'Bethel', that approximates a quote from Chris Brain the catalyst behind NOS. Man who later clobbered himself and NOS. 'Punk over' with NOS down in a well-publicized scandal. Say it was over, a couple or so years later.
It's what Chris told one of our visiting party who nabbed and quizzed after as-usual extraordinary, down-to-earth while other-world-ly Church Service.
Caught them once in St Thomas, the Anglican Church/'Building' and NOS was birthed through. A sub-group into live out and small, 'intentional community'.
A 'punk NOS' intro., is on truthscoop.net/nos. Rest of a book , "God willing", doubtless be splattered about on Plant a Seed. Or, Truthsccop? Where, and should, consider the crowd? Fair enough and that, my best-can respects, to all-comers having a look and read.
Please though, no one think there's a desire to 'covert Christians?' "Not on ya Nelly". Not any of the 'all shapes', or particular, and the 'sub-sections'.
Nah, "...progressive with balls."
Like to hope gain, and maintain, and aspire, 'thus ways'.
As for 'NOS, L.L.S. (Late, Late, service), Thursdays, and Wild hope'? "Same-ol', same 'ol."
All the way.
'Punk Church' Calling:
DIY online tool-kit, 'thought for the day' verses, colour pictures, teaching/debate bit. Space for discernment and our, Jesus' days equivalent, 'authorities and religious leaders'. With soundtrack and occasional, 'word' and prophesy.
On Truthscoop, and crowd-aware 'God talk' -or- Plant a Seed, 'mainlining', God talk?
Informed Reasoning. Help to better assess the problem/s-with/ 'yucky feeling' / prejudice/ problem/s /searching /questions /encounters'.
Before 'punk ch.-Bethel' and like, today.
Within CIA-fronted “60s, Hippies”. A contention explored in Weird Scenes Inside the Canyon: Laurel Canyon, Covert Ops & the Dark Heart of the Hippy Dream PDF Mirror 1. and in case necc., Mirror 2.
Outside the Church, hippies came barefoot and bangels into Church meets. Jesus was ‘hip’, while the ‘weed’ and ‘acid’ might have helped. Part of the journey in.
This groovy looking, earnest and zeal-fired ‘happening’, are the roots of Bethel -and- Wild Hope, NOS, etc. All the young punks, short early-90s burst of promising visions.
Early 80s, The Jesus Movement. Texas and California, the two heartlands.
Exemplified in the crazy-bad and sad, brevity of dedicated follower of Christ. A top-notch singer-songwriter, Keith died on July 28, 1982. Bob Dylan's new best-mate, since 1980.
Bob played harmonica on 'Pledge My Head To Heaven' and Keith's third album, So You Wanna Go Back to Egypt, released May 7, 1980.
Second up, Keith, Bill (drums and producer), and Bob. The title track kicks-off album.
Keith’s wife Melody; “[He told us that he] loved to pick up hitchhikers and tell them about Jesus. They never recognized him because they drove a beat-up old car and wore a knit ski hat over his famous curls.”
Bob said Keith's debut album, 'For Him Who Has Ears To Hear' “...[is] one of my Top 10 favorite albums. It's fantastic.”
“Top 10’s”, now we’re talking.
Midday-ish and off. Truthscoop on Sunday. Thanks for coming.
A couple of 'scoops' to close, related and matters, in these, and my 'ends'.